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I buy that there are people who just don't have much shadow/callouses. But there pretty clearly are a *lot* of people out there who do have a lot of shadow/callouses, and are not being honest with themselves about it, and are uncomfortable precisely because of how they feel about their own shadow/callouses. A central example here would be all the people who get a kick out of kink, but insist on framing it as "playing" and keeping it "in frame", or find it hot but "would never want to do that in real life", etc, i.e. they always have a story on hand about how this stuff they obviously like is only appealing when it's fake.

So there's three relevant groups of people here:

- People who are honest with themselves about their shadow

- People who are lying to themselves about their shadow

- People who who really just don't have much shadow

(... presumably in practice these are not three discrete categories, but a useful approximation for current discussion.)

With those three groups, it is *correct* to treat edginess-signals as signals of honesty. They signal that you're *not* in the "lying to themselves about their shadow" group. The point from your post which survives is: just because someone acts like they don't have much shadow doesn't *necessarily* mean they're lying to themselves. But it's often hard to distinguish between "lying to themselves" and "really doesn't have a shadow". There are signs to look for (like e.g. the example of liking kink but only when it's framed as playing/fake), but those signs tend to be less obvious than edginess-signals.

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